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they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the w economy? that is next up. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> cnbc's jane wells joins us now with the latest. >> they say it is not about the money. federal mediate or has been hir. ships are backing up. companies like home depot say it
they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the...
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first taxes don't data. what about taxes. his take on the cliff hanger and why investors shouldn't worry about taxes. and dell trade or trap? goldman jumps on the band wagon. 2012 gold rush. why are americans stocking up on gold coins? is it another way to say diversify? we have to get straight to our top story and tonight that is will the cliff ruin christmas? the rhetoric cnbc has the latest including the white house response to the gop proposal. >> just within the past few minutes we have gotten the white house's response to the boehner counter proposal to the white house proposal last week. the white house doesn't like the proposal from bane kpp today. dan fifer saying the republican la letter does not meet the balance and sticks the middle class with the bill. clearly what we are seeing is a negotiation. the white house doesn't like what they have been presented and now the offers and counteroffers will continue to fly and will start to get a little more close to one another. neither one of these as they have been laid o
first taxes don't data. what about taxes. his take on the cliff hanger and why investors shouldn't worry about taxes. and dell trade or trap? goldman jumps on the band wagon. 2012 gold rush. why are americans stocking up on gold coins? is it another way to say diversify? we have to get straight to our top story and tonight that is will the cliff ruin christmas? the rhetoric cnbc has the latest including the white house response to the gop proposal. >> just within the past few minutes we...
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i am a flat tax guy. what i don't get is why the united states wants to imitate the mistakes of western europe, jim pethokoukis. that's what i don't get. you get the last word. >> i think it's stunning and i hope we learn from yoour mistak as quickly as they did in great britain. >>> who needs to wait for a recession? our next guest says we may already be in one and it started way back in july. think about that. recession last july. stay with us. he'll defend his position. r ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. >>> we've got some more breaking news for you. the michigan
i am a flat tax guy. what i don't get is why the united states wants to imitate the mistakes of western europe, jim pethokoukis. that's what i don't get. you get the last word. >> i think it's stunning and i hope we learn from yoour mistak as quickly as they did in great britain. >>> who needs to wait for a recession? our next guest says we may already be in one and it started way back in july. think about that. recession last july. stay with us. he'll defend his position. r ]...
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hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's been offered so are far which appears like $1.6 trillion in tax hikes against $400 billion of entitlement cuts over time, that's an even worse mix than the two-thirds/one-third european structure that really has gotten a negative reaction. >> how much is because of the mix and how much of it just this is what austerity looks like? >> is the money in capping deductions or raising marginal tax rates? it's in capping deductions. but that's tough because you have to tell someone no like the housing lobby or charitable contribut
hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's...
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ahead of that, google used tax havens to escape $2 billion in taxes worldwide. the catch here is it's not illegal. why all the fuss? after the break we'll decide if this is a good move for google and you the investor. >>> plus are smart phone apps invading privacy? the government is investigating that charge. we'll have the story. then we'll bring you the latest on the quest to save the twinkie. and what about the ding dong? just as important, right? all coming up. >> what's up, seth? >> thank you for coming ding dong. >> wow. you know my name now. i mean, with all this twinkie talk, i thought everybody had forgotten about me. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 this morning, i'm going to trade in hong kong. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 after that, it's on to germany. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 then tonight, i'm trading 9500 miles away in japan. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with the new global account from schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 i hunt down opportunities around the world tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 as if i'm right there. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and i'm in total control because i can trade tdd#: 1-800-3
ahead of that, google used tax havens to escape $2 billion in taxes worldwide. the catch here is it's not illegal. why all the fuss? after the break we'll decide if this is a good move for google and you the investor. >>> plus are smart phone apps invading privacy? the government is investigating that charge. we'll have the story. then we'll bring you the latest on the quest to save the twinkie. and what about the ding dong? just as important, right? all coming up. >> what's up,...
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all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of senator jim demint, who was a staunch conservative, which was a surprise departure, tells me the republicans in many ways are throwing in the towel on this deal. he's a guy
all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal...
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in taxes. but is that helping investors? well see. everybody is at the big board today. >> we are all down here. >> we are. everybody is in the family. we like it down here. maybe we'll see. you never know. >>> all right, the apple map story. if you haven't heard this story, it is very interesting. is it the australian police? >> yes. >> australian defense minister. whatever you down there. is warning people, dent use apple maps. it could be fatal. some people got lost in a national park. >> right. giving incomplete instructions. >> right. left at the dingo, right at the crocodile. they were getting stuck. australian police said don't use apple maps, they are dangerous. which is just bizarre. >> it is bizarre. feels like it is a little dire. in terms after warning. >> yeah. if you're under a national park in the outskirts, you're not in the hard streets of melbourne. >> people get lost in those national parks all the time. i get lost in them. follow the national dingos. follow the ants. they ar
in taxes. but is that helping investors? well see. everybody is at the big board today. >> we are all down here. >> we are. everybody is in the family. we like it down here. maybe we'll see. you never know. >>> all right, the apple map story. if you haven't heard this story, it is very interesting. is it the australian police? >> yes. >> australian defense minister. whatever you down there. is warning people, dent use apple maps. it could be fatal. some people...
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revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there, somewhere, somewhere, in time. we'll see. meantime, market taking it in stride as we head to the close with 50 minutes left in the trading day. the dow down 41 points. at the low of the day we were down 56. >> we're going to start hearing the impact of sandy as we approach the holiday shopping season. sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming
revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there,...
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the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a lot of money on a lot things, some of which we need, some of which we don't. why would a 200-month tax raise destroy the economy but spending $200 a month on a smartphone somehow doesn't? >> because of the aggregation problem. if you just look at one person it doesn't look so bad. but when you sum it up across 300 million americans and you factor in that 70% of our gdp is consumer spending, in europe it is about 55% so we're more dependent on the consumer for our growth -- then you understand why the congressional budget office -- i don't think they've ever done this before -- is actually pred
the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a...
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>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the institutional side, probably pressure from the -- individuals might just simply get frightened off and now the result in selloff will lead to the stock being in stronger hands? >> i think that's exactly right. i think a lot of these investors will come back to apple after the tax related selling, whether that's in a week or two or sometime this year. >> we have a half dozen technicians focused on the selloff. historically they're only up 4, so a phenomenal november for the apple monitor, which are suppliers to apple. >> today just in today's ses
>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the...
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you do the makth, that comes ou to $520 a week before taxes, $26,000 for the year. if you can't live on that, how are you living on unemployment at $450 or $500 a week? for a lot of manufacturers, they're frustrated that they can't bring people $13 an hour, then walk them up the pay scale to $20 or $25 an hour. >> phil will join me in this conversation. mercedes-benz usa posting an all-time sales record with november sales of over 32,000 units. joining us in the "power lunch" exclusive, steve canyon, mercedes-benz usa's president and ceo. phil will pick up on the auto questions but i'd like to talk to you about the economy in general. your company has such an interesting footprint in the united states. you are hitting an all-time sales record, yet people are still worried about the economy. tell us how business is and how you view the economy right now. >> business for us is great. we're going to set an all-time record. in fact we'll finally surpass our all-time high in 2007. in 2007 just before the recession, that's when the auto market was around 17 million units.
you do the makth, that comes ou to $520 a week before taxes, $26,000 for the year. if you can't live on that, how are you living on unemployment at $450 or $500 a week? for a lot of manufacturers, they're frustrated that they can't bring people $13 an hour, then walk them up the pay scale to $20 or $25 an hour. >> phil will join me in this conversation. mercedes-benz usa posting an all-time sales record with november sales of over 32,000 units. joining us in the "power lunch"...
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estate taxes going away. put the real estate into the kids' i mean, these are the litany of the fiscal cliff discussions. they start with capital gains. please take your capital gains. please take them. what if people have capital gains? what's the stock they own in their individual account? not their i.r.a.? or 401(k)? it's apple. every one of these guys are telling you that. it's the way the discussion starts. people have to understand, that's how it happens. >> and the buyback next year, increase your cost basis, whatever may be trading at that point. there's no loss for investors. there's only the possibility of gain if they're facing a higher tax rate. >> like the special dividends, making it clear they're not interested in that. >> that's right. >> i think -- unless you have a complex tax return, you may not realize that there's this investment advice that flows through from professionals. you don't want to upset them, because they're better than you. they see thousands of clients. you just do it. you d
estate taxes going away. put the real estate into the kids' i mean, these are the litany of the fiscal cliff discussions. they start with capital gains. please take your capital gains. please take them. what if people have capital gains? what's the stock they own in their individual account? not their i.r.a.? or 401(k)? it's apple. every one of these guys are telling you that. it's the way the discussion starts. people have to understand, that's how it happens. >> and the buyback next...
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. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is licensed and regulated, the price will certainly go down to some extent. >> how confident are you -- you talk about setting up a regulated functioning market for weed as if you just snapped your fingers. how do you make sure this stays out of the hands of those who are under 21? >> well, we've seen in colorado already a fully regulated market that is serving 120,000 medical marijuana patients and no reports of any marijuana being diverted from those stores to teens and moreover while the use of marijuana among teens has gone up 11% n
. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is...
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code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony capitalism is just as -- >> it's what democracy does. until it gets so bad. people get so angry, they gain control. shareholders don't really have control of corporations, until they do. and it's the same thing in democracy. >> tell me why i'm wrong about this and i've said it a lot. if you get government to the point where it's 25% of gdp, and you know full well it's bloated and overspending, i don't think you decide how to pay for that. you don't say, okay, i'm going to get the revenue side up. i think you immediately start on the 25. and knowing that b
code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony...
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to allow tax increases as part of a deal. once we get past this first agreement and we avoid the fiscal cliff, we get into next year, there will be a debt limit fight, that might be less intense if they can get through this one. and the republicans will come up with a new way to talk about big spending cuts in return for some entithe entitlement changes. >> ben, thank you for stopping by. >> thank you. >> this morning, i was thinking to myself, self, if we get a deal, what would the market reaction be to a deal? >> that isn't -- >> because you can really make the case for either way, a selloff or a rally. >> i think the way the market sets up right now, the fact that we continue to sort of push towards this 14 and a quarter level leads me to believe that people are believing there's a deal that's some what imminent and we're going to rachet our way up. but my push-back would be, i mean, a deal, it's not buy their. my sense is, u.s. going forward, whatever deal is made there are going to be serious cuts to serious things. thou
to allow tax increases as part of a deal. once we get past this first agreement and we avoid the fiscal cliff, we get into next year, there will be a debt limit fight, that might be less intense if they can get through this one. and the republicans will come up with a new way to talk about big spending cuts in return for some entithe entitlement changes. >> ben, thank you for stopping by. >> thank you. >> this morning, i was thinking to myself, self, if we get a deal, what...
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taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that they're concerned about a looming tax hike that might affect their portfolios as it is about the uncertainty that the cliff represents, that chinese economy represents, and that europe represents. >> totally. so they have two decisions. on the risk hedging they have to look where yield is going worldwide. that's the price of ensuring their liabilities. at the same time diversification is the other avenue, generating return. rather than awarding historically high allocations toward equities, move towards alternatives. >> not necessarily
taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that...
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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theories why the stock has been falling, people selling ahead of the fiscal cliff, fearing capital gains, tax hike, fear that china mobile will take longer to start selling the iphone given it's already picked up nokia's latest lumia. reports apple is asking for fewer iphone 5 parts from suppliers and people wrapping that in with fears apple is losing phone market share to android and dealing with compressed margins from ipad mini and other products. as a reporter covering the company i wonder if some of us have crossed over to irrational despondency on apple. tim cook set a high bar in revenue for the quarter, he just had a big opportunity to drop a hint in interviews with nbc's brian williams and bloomberg "business week." so far it seems he didn't do that. iphone 5 supplies coming into balance available to ship in two to four business days online. ipad mini demand outstripped supply which could mean margins are better than apple projected. there are open questions on the pro and con side of apple but the most important ones, these questions can apple ramp iphone supply ahead of the quarter
theories why the stock has been falling, people selling ahead of the fiscal cliff, fearing capital gains, tax hike, fear that china mobile will take longer to start selling the iphone given it's already picked up nokia's latest lumia. reports apple is asking for fewer iphone 5 parts from suppliers and people wrapping that in with fears apple is losing phone market share to android and dealing with compressed margins from ipad mini and other products. as a reporter covering the company i wonder...
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be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are prepared to get the yes, but not prepared to get to foolish. and 1.6 you would think is foolish. 800 people think maybe that's doable. could it just look like this, i'll cut to the chase, we go up -- we start at 500,000 and above. we go up 2 percentage points to 37 and do a couple things on deductions that are politically possible to do to get to a trillion dollars. if the president were to come down to a trillion, could we go up -- would republicans go up to a trillion in that. >> i'll give you a straight hans, but inhan answer, but in a minute. let me get
be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are...
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pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking
pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those...
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it's not about taxes. the president obviously believes it's about taxes and these rate increases are really important to him for some reason. but we think there's a way you can get revenue into the equation, but do it, but you got to have -- you've got to have something. >> the president has a bigger bully pulpit. he has already laid out what he wants to do, and polls seem to indicate that most americans are okay raising rates on only those who make $250,000 or $500,000 or more. because it's not going to affect most of them. he has managed to lay this out as something where, if the republicans don't go along with his plan, they will be responsible for raising taxes on all americans when we go over the fiscal cliff. how do you avoid -- >> i think that that's one of the reasons that the president and his people like to unite. congressional democrats are saying we'll go over the cliff. they get the policy they want, which is higher taxes, moren inny to spend, defense cuts and they think that the political pla
it's not about taxes. the president obviously believes it's about taxes and these rate increases are really important to him for some reason. but we think there's a way you can get revenue into the equation, but do it, but you got to have -- you've got to have something. >> the president has a bigger bully pulpit. he has already laid out what he wants to do, and polls seem to indicate that most americans are okay raising rates on only those who make $250,000 or $500,000 or more. because...
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and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the near-term economic future of the country, people are going to rise above and do the right thing. and i think the republicans, frankly, are going to have to accept some tax increases. the wealthy are going to have to accept some tax increases, even if only temporary. but on the other side, there's got to be massive spending cuts and entitlement programs, because you can't have the -- a minor revenue increase without a decrease in spending. and then again, my favorite solution would be a temporary national sales tax, and a federal fuel tax
and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the...
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going into next year, i think no one will argue taxes are going to go up at some rate. historically, dividend type stocks have underperformed. do you still feel good about them? >> i do. because it's different this time. i mean, it's been well communicated, well documented. everyone knows that that's an issue. in fact, we don't think it's possible the dividend taxes won't rise the amount that's in the law. right? so if you look last week, for example, utilities were the best p performing sector in the market, up 3.35% last week. i think you can get a relief rally if they do change the law. and more over all the the other things that are compelling about them, whether low payout ratios or compelling yield versus the bond market or in fact the most cynical but appropriate reason could be management teams are paying themselves more and more in restricted stock units than options and that is probably for better dividend growth. >> adam, great to have you on the show. welcome you back sometime soon i hope. >> have a great week. >> adam parker from morgan stanley. let's talk
going into next year, i think no one will argue taxes are going to go up at some rate. historically, dividend type stocks have underperformed. do you still feel good about them? >> i do. because it's different this time. i mean, it's been well communicated, well documented. everyone knows that that's an issue. in fact, we don't think it's possible the dividend taxes won't rise the amount that's in the law. right? so if you look last week, for example, utilities were the best p performing...
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the internet giant stashing billions in tax shelters to avoid paying taxes. is that fair play or outrageous corporate behavior? especially in this climate. well talk about that. but first, markets are generally higher. dow jones industrial average up 29 points on the day. nasdaq is up 7. and s&p 500 up about 1 1/2. >> they've been that way about the last ten days or two weeks or so. 21 days until america goes over the cliff or not. president obama meeting with the house speaker boehner in a closed door session over the weekend. yesterday in fact. trying to hammer out a deal. we hope you watch the redskins win over the ravens there in the last minute. president set to speak later at an auto plant in michigan about his planes it raise taxes on the rich. our chief political correspondent live at the white house with the latest. hi, john. >> hi, tyler. it is glammy and overcast in washington today but everybody is looking for bright signs about the fiscal cliff. we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk
the internet giant stashing billions in tax shelters to avoid paying taxes. is that fair play or outrageous corporate behavior? especially in this climate. well talk about that. but first, markets are generally higher. dow jones industrial average up 29 points on the day. nasdaq is up 7. and s&p 500 up about 1 1/2. >> they've been that way about the last ten days or two weeks or so. 21 days until america goes over the cliff or not. president obama meeting with the house speaker...
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everyone is obsessed with the taxes. taxes are very important. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is even barely talking about the sequester, the across the board sequester. and mark, if you don't make a deal, the withholding tax rates start going up in january. the treasury and irs can postpone it but not for long. americans will feel those tack hikes in january. they'll really feel them in february. by march if there's no deal they're really going to start getting hurt and it's going to damage the economy. so what you're saying is, you got no tax cuts. they're all tax hikes. and on top of that, there's no spending. i don't think that's what the public wants. >> what i'm saying is the revenue increase has to be a smaller number than the spending cuts. democrats had better accept that. that's going to be the case. >> i don't know. you look at mr. obama's story, his revenue increases over the whole ten-year period are larger than his spending reductions according to most people who have made the score card. i don't think that's what peo
everyone is obsessed with the taxes. taxes are very important. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is even barely talking about the sequester, the across the board sequester. and mark, if you don't make a deal, the withholding tax rates start going up in january. the treasury and irs can postpone it but not for long. americans will feel those tack hikes in january. they'll really feel them in february. by march if there's no deal they're really going to start getting hurt and it's...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax ra
the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains....
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tax. >> our wealth editor robert frank breaks it down now. >> thanks, bill. the estate tax could go up even more and become a big problem for any kind of cliff deal. let's take a look. the current tax is around 30%. only those worth $5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff, it will shoot to 55%. anyone with an estate with $1 million or more will have to file. that will cost many more in the estate tax. many prefer the tax is abolished. obama wants a 45% rate and $3.5 million cutoff. that's midway between today's rates and the old rate. now the problem is even some democrats are siding with republicans. they say they want to keep the current rates. so all sides here remain very far apart. this matters because wealthy families need to rewrite their wills, their charity plans. and for the country there are hundreds of billions of dollars of taxes at stake. it's also a hugely symbolic tax. the left says these estate taxes are important to curb family dynasties. and they also cal
tax. >> our wealth editor robert frank breaks it down now. >> thanks, bill. the estate tax could go up even more and become a big problem for any kind of cliff deal. let's take a look. the current tax is around 30%. only those worth $5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff, it will shoot to 55%. anyone with an estate with $1 million or more will have to file. that will cost many more in the estate tax. many prefer the tax is abolished. obama wants a 45% rate and $3.5...
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...
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it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you raise the rates by a couple points, it's not going to drive everybody crazy. i think what we have to do is get the government out of this industrial policy where every time we turn around, they want something done. they pass a tax law. they get people to invest in it. then they turn around and blame you for taking advantage of the tax law. they call it incentives. then they call it loopholes. i think we have to get the government out of that part of the business. that tax code has to be changed. >> you've got to pay your fair share. >> everybody should pay their fair share. >> allstat
it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you...
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i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because i was able to take advantage of whatever part of the tax code that his lawyer and accountant found out about. that's not good. we need everybody participating. that's why we say, simplify the tax code, get rid of these loopholes. >> congressman kingston, thank you very much. >>> apple and zynga among the big nasdaq movers today. we'll tell you which other big movers, winners and losers you need to know about. coming back in two minutes. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out.
i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because...
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issues before year-end. >> will i accept the tax increase as part of a deal to solve our problems? yes. >> senate republicans are facing opposition to their tax concessions in the house and democrats haven't been too receptive to their idea owes entitlement reforms. for more on this, jens is still with us. we've got, what, two working weeks until the end of the year. what's your base view here as to how this plays out? >> our base case is that we will get a type of deal probably later until the year. so i don't think it will be much of a christmas holiday for the key negotiators. i would say 60% to 70% probability that we get that pancake deal. then the details will have to be hammered out next year on a more comprehensive tax reform and so forth. if that's the case, then that should give a bit of a boost to the market, but i think that boost will only come after christmas because i don't expect a deal to be announced before that. >> and not to mention that the deal will likely still involve the payroll tax cuts going away. that is going to imply something in the range of a 1%, i t
issues before year-end. >> will i accept the tax increase as part of a deal to solve our problems? yes. >> senate republicans are facing opposition to their tax concessions in the house and democrats haven't been too receptive to their idea owes entitlement reforms. for more on this, jens is still with us. we've got, what, two working weeks until the end of the year. what's your base view here as to how this plays out? >> our base case is that we will get a type of deal...
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but even then if you want to do tax cuts to stimulate the economy, why are we doing tax krets. that's been on the table forever. >> why do you think we're not? >> i honesti honestly don't kno. investment trax credits are things we have precedent for in the uk and other countries. they're business friendly. if you want to be business friendly, which most of us do, they're inherently temporary because you're trying to get people to move forward. >> it is strange when david cameron spoke last week, saying we're putting growth in every ministry, there is going to be a growth agenda. so all this talk, but not followed up. >> doesn't seem to be a company hair rent strategy at all. and i can't pretend to know what internal negotiations lead to that but a little bit of broadband hear and get off wealth incentive there is is not growth strategy. growth strategy is recognizing the uk has had an enormous shortfall of investment are and it existed even in the boom years. and has gotten worse since 2008. the financial system is a major part of it. and so you have to think about what it is t
but even then if you want to do tax cuts to stimulate the economy, why are we doing tax krets. that's been on the table forever. >> why do you think we're not? >> i honesti honestly don't kno. investment trax credits are things we have precedent for in the uk and other countries. they're business friendly. if you want to be business friendly, which most of us do, they're inherently temporary because you're trying to get people to move forward. >> it is strange when david...
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the plan would generate $800 billion in into tnew tax revenu leaves the bush era tax cuts in place for everyone. it would cut $1.2 billion in discretionary planning. it raises the eligibility anyone for medicare and changes how cost of living increases can calculated. house officials suggest the two side where is continue to negotiate ways to avoid the year end fiscal cliff. and on that team, the president will meet with a group of u.s. governors. they'll discuss possible solutions to the fiscal cliff and how it will impact their states. the group is also expected to meet with house republicans later in the week. in corporate new, sprint nextel is reportedly out of the market for metro pcs. the company won't make a counteroffer. sprint announced japan and he softbank will buy up to a 70% stake in the company. reports suggest sprint believes going after metro pcs would complicate the regulatory review of the softbank deal. sprint stock in frankfurt up just a third of 1%. and service capital reportedly in talks to join the bid for night capital. it would include silver lake partners and
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back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very high on major issues that are out there. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about is the apple situation, after that performance yesterday, you talked last week about how you talked about the people that were selling this week. do you think that's really what's happening in this situation? >> i do. whether it's that side which is kind of the negative side, you break the piggy bank, you want to beat capital gameins, you wa to beat the tax man. i think both those sides of the equation may have a lot more horsepower than people th
back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very...
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worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come, italian parliament is in turmoil. berlusconi's party taken back support from the current government. but could this mean the return of the former prime minister to politics. we'll get more from our correspondent. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male anno
worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come,...
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the other way is if you raise taxes, as a part of a grand bargain, you could provide that those taxes would be rescinded automatically and would sun set in the event you exceeded that cap of spending to gdp, whatever it is, 20%, 21%, wherever it is, 22%. >> on the spending side, even if you were to do the kind of sequestration you were talking about, if you look at the medium term and suddenly the long-term. >> yeah. >> all of the increases in spending are essentially around health care. it's medicare and medicaid that are out of control. >> yeah, you got it. >> what would you do about that? >> you got to fix it, you got to you got to have entitlements tochb table because entitlements are the biggest part of our spending problem. defense has to be on the table. everything has to be on the table. you have to begin this negotiation by agreeing that they're not going to be any preconditions. everything's going to be on the table, you ought to also have an agreement that nothing will be decided until everything is decided. you ought to also have an agreement that it will be done in confid
the other way is if you raise taxes, as a part of a grand bargain, you could provide that those taxes would be rescinded automatically and would sun set in the event you exceeded that cap of spending to gdp, whatever it is, 20%, 21%, wherever it is, 22%. >> on the spending side, even if you were to do the kind of sequestration you were talking about, if you look at the medium term and suddenly the long-term. >> yeah. >> all of the increases in spending are essentially around...
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he's in the news for facing jail and being arrested over some tax dodging thing. what can you say about that? >> two things. one is i don't think he's going to go to jail. i know he's in a negotiated settlement and things that were online, that's what media today does. they try to tilt it the way they need it to be to sell copies and sell online hits to their sites. we're talking about him being arrested and taken into custody. this was all prearranged for him with the d.a. to go in and make an appearance. they've got to shake him down and walk that gauntlet even though steps have been made. down payments have been paid. when you have far less money than you need and you have far more money than you need they're both equal in terms of how easy it is to get into trouble. the only people who walk down the line seem to keep that right. i have so many friends of mine who annualize their income. they make a lot of one money and assume it will carry on many, many years. those people end up spending the money they would have to segregate into a tax account. my brother is
he's in the news for facing jail and being arrested over some tax dodging thing. what can you say about that? >> two things. one is i don't think he's going to go to jail. i know he's in a negotiated settlement and things that were online, that's what media today does. they try to tilt it the way they need it to be to sell copies and sell online hits to their sites. we're talking about him being arrested and taken into custody. this was all prearranged for him with the d.a. to go in and...
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it's a tax on show business. >> you have a very different opinion than i do. my attitude is the business is better if all of them were gone. >> really? >> press a button tomorrow and press them down a swirling sewer vortex, i would do it. where's the button? hand it to me now. >> what if they said -- >> somebody on the crew is laughing. >> no more publicity in any newspaper or magazine for anything you do. >> that's not practical. people you will have publicity. listen. i'm not opposed to even though i'm not ecstatic about the entertainment journalism that's out there and cheapens show business and demystifies show business and the once you typically call a gotcha journalism, that's one i think we can all do without. >> mike tyson had a good way of resolving somebody. he said, a photographer at lax. what was the fallout? paparazzi are really good to me. really? let me give them a right hook. let's talk about more cheerful matters. "saturday night live." you've done 16 of these. you're the king of "snl." i want to talk to the king. [ male announcer ] alka-seltz
it's a tax on show business. >> you have a very different opinion than i do. my attitude is the business is better if all of them were gone. >> really? >> press a button tomorrow and press them down a swirling sewer vortex, i would do it. where's the button? hand it to me now. >> what if they said -- >> somebody on the crew is laughing. >> no more publicity in any newspaper or magazine for anything you do. >> that's not practical. people you will have...
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i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but i think compromise is going to be necessary to achieve some result. >> let me bring in abbe. your father is known as a moderate republican and a good dealmaker, a man who used to negotiate. what do you make of this? and what does he make of this? >> i think morale is so low right now. the country's so divided. especially for my generation. we're the ones that are going to be handed down the $60 trillion defic deficit. they will come to a deal. but right now, it's political theater. and it's probably going to look like the simpson-bowles. that will come full-circle again. >> here's a problem the republicans have got themselves into. is obama has been very clever here, the president. i think what he's done is skillfully said to the public, if he goes over the fiscal cliff, the republicans are prepared to make the entire middle class to pay mo
i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but i think compromise is going to be necessary to achieve some result. >> let me bring in abbe. your father is known as a moderate republican and a good dealmaker, a man who used to negotiate. what do you make of this? and what does he make of this? >> i think morale is so low right now. the country's so...
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our conversation in washington we talk about it being a tax event and only tax event. but the impact on unemployed people will be dramatic. the impact on those americans who don't pay a lot of income tax but benefitting from the extra two points of payroll relief, may not be dramatic but noticeable. this country could go into a recession. what's going on in this discussion is richard nixon's old madman theory, each side trying to persuade the other that it's just crazy enough to blow up the world. >> erick, quickly, you say it's better to go over the cliff than accept what the president's offered? >> yeah. i absolutely think so. the republicans unfortunately for people like me are willing to raise taxes to the tune of $800 billion. the democrats want to argue with them over the mechanism. and it's the mechanism that would hurt small businesses. the republican negotiating hand winds up being a little better on the other side. the fiscal cliff is the maximum of what ghkts want. you've got howard dean saying we need to raise taxes on everybody, not just the rich. steny ho
our conversation in washington we talk about it being a tax event and only tax event. but the impact on unemployed people will be dramatic. the impact on those americans who don't pay a lot of income tax but benefitting from the extra two points of payroll relief, may not be dramatic but noticeable. this country could go into a recession. what's going on in this discussion is richard nixon's old madman theory, each side trying to persuade the other that it's just crazy enough to blow up the...
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well the payroll tax holiday, it was created in 2010, it had a two-year tax extension, it expires on december 31st. this is a 2% payroll tax that all americans were enjoying. if nothing is resolved, your first paycheck in january is going to be 2% lighter. that may not sound like a lot. but you take a person who's makimake $50,000 per year, it's about 1,700 a year. >> i'm going to guess that even if we do leap off the cliff, we'll have some type of a resolution, some type of a deal that will be retroactive back to january 1. but why play with poison like that, right now have to expect that you want that deal done now. >> what are the convinces for tfor -- consequences for military personnel? >> just on the defense sector alone, you're looking at $55 billion in cuts just to the defense budget. you have to look at the ancillary part of this. you look at real estate holdings, homes that are have a close proximity to defense. >> final question for you, todd, a major confusion going on here, it's about this so-called $250,000 there are hold for house holds, does this mean that all of the
well the payroll tax holiday, it was created in 2010, it had a two-year tax extension, it expires on december 31st. this is a 2% payroll tax that all americans were enjoying. if nothing is resolved, your first paycheck in january is going to be 2% lighter. that may not sound like a lot. but you take a person who's makimake $50,000 per year, it's about 1,700 a year. >> i'm going to guess that even if we do leap off the cliff, we'll have some type of a resolution, some type of a deal that...
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their tax rate jumps from 25% to 28%. they could be hit by the alternative minimum tax. the child tax credit drops from $1,000 to $500 and payroll taxes could be $2,000 more next year. for a single 25-year-old in michigan who works full-time earning $30,000 a year going to school part-time, his tax rate would stay the same at 15%. but he would lose the american education tax credit and have to pay more than $600 in payroll taxes. and even though it's weeks before the changes would take effect the impact is already being felt because of uncertainty. 401(k) plans are taking a hit. companies are putting freezes on hiring. and the retail sector which makes most of its money in the final weeks of the year. black friday is over and people are just hoping it doesn't turn into bleak friday. >> trying to be penny wise and not dollar stupid. >> the national retail federation did a survey that 64% of americans are watching closely the negotiations in washington over the fiscal cliff and that a lot of consumers are taking a wait and see approach, reluctant to go on a spending spree.
their tax rate jumps from 25% to 28%. they could be hit by the alternative minimum tax. the child tax credit drops from $1,000 to $500 and payroll taxes could be $2,000 more next year. for a single 25-year-old in michigan who works full-time earning $30,000 a year going to school part-time, his tax rate would stay the same at 15%. but he would lose the american education tax credit and have to pay more than $600 in payroll taxes. and even though it's weeks before the changes would take effect...
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a promise to never raise taxes. at one point, not signing would have been political suicide for republicans, but now, fears about the fiscal cliff and america's debt are pushing some seen here to renounce the pledge. i've been highlighting members of congress who have recently said they're getting over grover. one, tom cole, says he is not bound anymore. representative cole, you wrote allowing taxes to rise for the top bracket may seem acceptable by comparison, but this path would be enormously damaging for the economy. which meant you weren't going to do it. now, you've been urging your fellow congressmen to at least extend the bush era tax cuts to those making less than $250,000 and then do battle over tax cuts for the wealthy later. what has changed your mind? >> frankly, nothing, and you've mischaracterized my position. i'm not for raising tax rates on anybody. it's going to slow down, hurt rates. that's my position. not just because i signed a pledge, because that's what i believe. what i have said is we agree
a promise to never raise taxes. at one point, not signing would have been political suicide for republicans, but now, fears about the fiscal cliff and america's debt are pushing some seen here to renounce the pledge. i've been highlighting members of congress who have recently said they're getting over grover. one, tom cole, says he is not bound anymore. representative cole, you wrote allowing taxes to rise for the top bracket may seem acceptable by comparison, but this path would be enormously...
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i think we need both tax revenue and much more than tax reform will give us, we also need higher tax rates and we also need spending cuts and it has to be balanced. i'm optimistic about this, it seems to me they're coming to common ground here on the tax side and the spending side. >> right now when i'm with the dreath democrats they say no cuts in medicaid, no cuts? social security. >> they kind of don't matter at this point, right? >> they don't matter, but it is going to be, we talked so much about the politics within the republican party and within the republican caucus in the house. but talk to senior democrats and they will tell you, even rank and file democrats, emmanuelle cleaver is important because he's the tom cole of the left, but it's going to be hard for them to walk in at the democratic caucuses that you're going to have to give on raising eligibility for medicare. >> you know the deals that were made, as few as they were recently have not been from the right to the left, but the speakinger has lost her left and the house speaker has los his right. >> there's got to be
i think we need both tax revenue and much more than tax reform will give us, we also need higher tax rates and we also need spending cuts and it has to be balanced. i'm optimistic about this, it seems to me they're coming to common ground here on the tax side and the spending side. >> right now when i'm with the dreath democrats they say no cuts in medicaid, no cuts? social security. >> they kind of don't matter at this point, right? >> they don't matter, but it is going to...
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it doesn't say we're going to raise taxes, it says this group for sure, your taxes are not saying get that done with, moving on the, the speakers put out a proposal, it makes sense to me. at the end of the month, taxes go up for everybody. let's make sure where we can, we save as many of those tax cuts for as many people as possible. it's not waving a red flag to recognize political reality. >> if speaker boehner comes to you all with a package that promises entitlement reform, or puts us on a path to it, or whatever, it does the same thing it does to spending cuts, does he have support within the caucus for raising tax rates? >> well, remember, tax rates are going up anyway, we're not raising them. that's current law. i think what the speaker has supported -- and you should look at the proposal he put out. the most interesting thing to me was every single one of our major leaguers signed it, paul ryan, who has a role because of his vice presidential nomination -- >> $800 billion worth of revenue. >> yes, a speaker is very strong, got us through a tough election, maintained our majori
it doesn't say we're going to raise taxes, it says this group for sure, your taxes are not saying get that done with, moving on the, the speakers put out a proposal, it makes sense to me. at the end of the month, taxes go up for everybody. let's make sure where we can, we save as many of those tax cuts for as many people as possible. it's not waving a red flag to recognize political reality. >> if speaker boehner comes to you all with a package that promises entitlement reform, or puts us...
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bhoener came up with a tax revenue plan. he said let's cap deductions and loop holes and leave these alone because that hopes growth. and he got nothing. nothing from boobama and i thin that started the bad blood. >> they both have to learn the art of negotiation. >> i'm going to guarantoo you that the democrats are going to be split. >> i'm going to leave it there. nick, larry, thank you very much indeed. >> coming up next. kerry kennedy talks about. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. our unique brush head cleans in three directions with up to 50% more brush mo
bhoener came up with a tax revenue plan. he said let's cap deductions and loop holes and leave these alone because that hopes growth. and he got nothing. nothing from boobama and i thin that started the bad blood. >> they both have to learn the art of negotiation. >> i'm going to guarantoo you that the democrats are going to be split. >> i'm going to leave it there. nick, larry, thank you very much indeed. >> coming up next. kerry kennedy talks about. anne's tablet was...